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Re: Cornering
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:42 pm
by hodgerydoo
Been trying something else today. I still find roundabouts hard work 'cos I think I'm in the zone between steering like a bicycle (up to about 19mph) and counter steering kicking in, so tried pushing down on the right foot peg. That seemed to helped so tried it on other corners with active counter steering and found it made me feel more assured that the bike was planted on the tarmac. Any body else do this?
Re: Cornering
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:57 pm
by bull
no i dont, let your body relax,you are trying too hard to control the bike.it is not a horse you are riding now
be gentle with you movements and the bike will do the rest.
Re: Cornering
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:02 pm
by hodgerydoo
bull wrote:no i dont, let your body relax,you are trying too hard to control the bike.it is not a horse you are riding now
be gentle with you movements and the bike will do the rest.
Mmm. maybe I'm trying to corner too fast.
Re: Cornering
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:22 pm
by bull
dont be worrying about speed just yet plenty of time for that, i will bring you around the mountain mad sunday TT at 180mph next year :laugh: No lad what you need is to get on your bike on a country road on a wet day and just ride, nice and cool like, not speeding. thats all you need to do and do it as often as you can. also find a quit spot and ride around in a figure of 8. dont be afraid of getting the bike down in a bend even at low speed, relax enjoy it and you might passing me next year at the TT :silly:
Re: Cornering
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:25 am
by Beam me up
bull wrote:no i dont, let your body relax,you are trying too hard to control the bike.it is not a horse you are riding now
be gentle with you movements and the bike will do the rest.
At last some sense
Re: Cornering
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:44 pm
by hodgerydoo
bull wrote:dont be worrying about speed just yet plenty of time for that, i will bring you around the mountain mad sunday TT at 180mph next year :laugh: No lad what you need is to get on your bike on a country road on a wet day and just ride, nice and cool like, not speeding. thats all you need to do and do it as often as you can. also find a quit spot and ride around in a figure of 8. dont be afraid of getting the bike down in a bend even at low speed, relax enjoy it and you might passing me next year at the TT :silly:
ride through the country every morning and night, 22 miles each way, wet or dry, tried relaxing this morning and admit it felt better but its not normal corners thats bothering me its the roundabouts, should i be aiming for a counter steer speed or a bicycle steer speed? my bike steers like a bicycle up to about 19mph.
Re: Cornering
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:32 pm
by bull
Christ lad, dont be thinking about counter steering or bicycle steering or any of that sh*t, because it is fu*king you up. You are counter steering anyway you just dont realise it. Dont be looking down at the front wheel in the roundabout be looking at where you want the bike to go. Watch your mirrors, keep eyes towards your exit, be in the right lane for you exit, lifesaver over the shoulder and go man go. You will find that the bike will almost ride itself around the roundabout, because you are not thinking or worrying about all that other unnecessary sh*t
Re: Cornering
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:26 pm
by puppycharmer
Throttled wrote:Please explain countersteer to me. I get it with cars, but surely you do not mean hang the back wheel out in a slide and turn the front wheel to put on opposite lock.
Get your push-bike out of the shed (You could do this with the motorbike but it might get expensive.)
Get the bike to balance with the steering set dead straight ahead. Pull the left bar back and the bike will fall to the right. This is because the headstock acts like a hinge between the two ends of the bike, which pivot on the tyre contact patches. The 'hinge' causes a proportion of the bike to move to the right, so it overbalances in that direction.(This is what initiates the turn when you are riding)
Do not worry about counter steering, you are already doing it or you would not be able to ride around corners.
Re: Cornering
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:19 pm
by hodgerydoo
"be looking at where you want the bike to go".
Thanks Bull tried that on't way home and it helped a lot! Maybe we should call you No Bull!
Now add to the counter steering bullshit and all's well :silly:
Re: Cornering
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:22 pm
by hodgerydoo
puppycharmer wrote:Throttled wrote:Please explain countersteer to me. I get it with cars, but surely you do not mean hang the back wheel out in a slide and turn the front wheel to put on opposite lock.
Get your push-bike out of the shed (You could do this with the motorbike but it might get expensive.)
Get the bike to balance with the steering set dead straight ahead. Pull the left bar back and the bike will fall to the right. This is because the headstock acts like a hinge between the two ends of the bike, which pivot on the tyre contact patches. The 'hinge' causes a proportion of the bike to move to the right, so it overbalances in that direction.(This is what initiates the turn when you are riding)
Except at low speed, pull left go left.