EU. In or out?

[AndyB]

I'd better hope I don't have an accident while I'm in Europe because I'd hate to use those reciprocal rights we currently have.

I'm sure I can pay to get health insurance for travel to the EU out of the massive savings I'll personally be getting if we leave the EU :pinch:

[Redmurty]

me personally I buy local at the small man every time I can but my post was just to illustrate that we are a global village and not just a tight knit EU, my main objection is having to pay for the privilege of being in a group so I can buy off that group. I don't have to give money to the owner of the corner shop before I can buy off him.

As for being in a bigger group really everyone is out for their own, safer stronger better off have a look at the right wing groups that are getting stronger

We are not and have never been a united Europe and never will be we are to different for it to ever work (thumbs)

cheers Spud

[daytona-supersport]

I'd better hope I don't have an accident while I'm in Europe because I'd hate to use those reciprocal rights we currently have.

I'm sure I can pay to get health insurance for travel to the EU out of the massive savings I'll personally be getting if we leave the EU :pinch:

Andy, I'm surprised, do you really travel abroad without travel & personal insurance?
I did a very quick search and this came up. Not current, (I Hope), but although I do carry an E111, I would not trust the medical services in any county to accept this as security of payment.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/pers ... usage.html

[Dutchgit]

me personally I buy local at the small man every time I can but my post was just to illustrate that we are a global village and not just a tight knit EU, my main objection is having to pay for the privilege of being in a group so I can buy off that group. I don't have to give money to the owner of the corner shop before I can buy off him.

As for being in a bigger group really everyone is out for their own, safer stronger better off have a look at the right wing groups that are getting stronger

We are not and have never been a united Europe and never will be we are to different for it to ever work (thumbs)

cheers Spud

I never had a dig at you dear Spudski, I merely state what is probably fact under 90% of the Britons.

Group forming has been around since the dawn of mankind, earlier even. Look at how many animals roam in packs. It is simply strength by numbers and usually the weakest ones get rooted out. Fortunately the EU hangs together (more or less) to keep the weaker members on their feet. In exchange for that they get rules they'll have to follow to become/stay healthy. I don't think it's a bad idea although it's happening a bit quick. As soon as those countries prosper there is little reward for the inhabitants to try and make their fortune elsewhere.
A lot of people could do with a look past their own yard.
The EU is not a Utopia for all, no place will ever be. The UK on their own certainly not with Scotland possibly leaving after Brexit. Wales next ? How many overseas territory might follow suit ? No one knows.
I really do hope Britain will prosper if Brexit happens as I don't wish bad things on anyone but try and think for yourselves and don't let some rag or populist influence your decision because they will have fucked of if the tide has turned.

[Dutchgit]

I'd better hope I don't have an accident while I'm in Europe because I'd hate to use those reciprocal rights we currently have.

I'm sure I can pay to get health insurance for travel to the EU out of the massive savings I'll personally be getting if we leave the EU :pinch:

Andy, I'm surprised, do you really travel abroad without travel & personal insurance?
I did a very quick search and this came up. Not current, (I Hope), but although I do carry an E111, I would not trust the medical services in any county to accept this as security of payment.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/pers ... usage.html

From the article:

By Teresa Hunter 7:00AM BST 31 Mar 2013

It's good to have some facts at hand right ? :laugh:

[daytona-supersport]

I'd better hope I don't have an accident while I'm in Europe because I'd hate to use those reciprocal rights we currently have.

I'm sure I can pay to get health insurance for travel to the EU out of the massive savings I'll personally be getting if we leave the EU :pinch:

Andy, I'm surprised, do you really travel abroad without travel & personal insurance?
I did a very quick search and this came up. Not current, (I Hope), but although I do carry an E111, I would not trust the medical services in any county to accept this as security of payment.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/pers ... usage.html

From the article:

By Teresa Hunter 7:00AM BST 31 Mar 2013

It's good to have some facts at hand right ? :laugh:

I did mention clearly that the article was not current. The intent was to show that there was and possibly still is a reluctance of medical services in some countries to accept the UK E111 as a guarantee of payment for treatment.
I would never consider traveling outside of the UK without personal medical insurance. I think it is called common sense. Finding out that an E111 card is not acceptable when you are already sick of injured is stupid. For more information read: https://www.e111.org.uk/about.html .

NOTE:
It does not cover:
•The EHIC is not a substitute or replacement for private travel insurance. You should always take out an appropriate private policy in addition to carrying your EHIC.
•It will not cover the costs of private healthcare or services that are not part of the state healthcare system.
•It will not cover the costs of being brought back to the UK.
•It will not allow you to go abroad to specifically receive treatment (including going abroad to give birth).
•The card may not be used in some regions, as there may be no state provided healthcare available.

[daytona-supersport]

EU Army. Another bloody daft idea.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05 ... om-voters/

[rlkat]

I'd better hope I don't have an accident while I'm in Europe because I'd hate to use those reciprocal rights we currently have.

I'm sure I can pay to get health insurance for travel to the EU out of the massive savings I'll personally be getting if we leave the EU :pinch:

Andy, I'm surprised, do you really travel abroad without travel & personal insurance?
I did a very quick search and this came up. Not current, (I Hope), but although I do carry an E111, I would not trust the medical services in any county to accept this as security of payment.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/pers ... usage.html

From the article:

By Teresa Hunter 7:00AM BST 31 Mar 2013

It's good to have some facts at hand right ? :laugh:

I did mention clearly that the article was not current. The intent was to show that there was and possibly still is a reluctance of medical services in some countries to accept the UK E111 as a guarantee of payment for treatment.
I would never consider traveling outside of the UK without personal medical insurance. I think it is called common sense. Finding out that an E111 card is not acceptable when you are already sick of injured is stupid. For more information read: https://www.e111.org.uk/about.html .

NOTE:
It does not cover:
•The EHIC is not a substitute or replacement for private travel insurance. You should always take out an appropriate private policy in addition to carrying your EHIC.
•It will not cover the costs of private healthcare or services that are not part of the state healthcare system.
•It will not cover the costs of being brought back to the UK.
•It will not allow you to go abroad to specifically receive treatment (including going abroad to give birth).
•The card may not be used in some regions, as there may be no state provided healthcare available.

The cynic in me thinks this is just a ploy to gather data.

"Give me all your details and in return you'll get a medical card that may or may not be useful to you so we advise you to get private medical insurance anyway".

EU, money-wasting bureaucracy at its best!

[Loggy]

me personally I buy local at the small man every time I can but my post was just to illustrate that we are a global village and not just a tight knit EU, my main objection is having to pay for the privilege of being in a group so I can buy off that group. I don't have to give money to the owner of the corner shop before I can buy off him.

As for being in a bigger group really everyone is out for their own, safer stronger better off have a look at the right wing groups that are getting stronger

We are not and have never been a united Europe and never will be we are to different for it to ever work (thumbs)

cheers Spud

Exactly. Look at Afghanistan. That Country is full of tribal groups all looking after their own interests. Countries have tried to "bring together" these tribal groups for centuries with no luck whatsoever. Then the Russians went in, and left with their tails between their legs. Then the West went in and left, and what has changed????? The Taliban is on the rise, all those years of the West being in there hasn't got rid of them. That Country will never be tamed as there are too many groups with conflicting interests.

Now look at the EU. Too many Countries with too many conflicting interests and too many cultural differences. To force that together is never going to work. It may have worked (sort of) up to now, but we started off as a trading block. Further down the line when they force Countries to loose their national identity's as a result of their "Closer Political Union" agenda and turn them into an EU "region" that's when the real unrest will start. The Far Right is already making headway. Sooner or later the shit's going to hit the fan and I can't believe the "Inners" can't see it!!!!

[AndyB]

I'd better hope I don't have an accident while I'm in Europe because I'd hate to use those reciprocal rights we currently have.

I'm sure I can pay to get health insurance for travel to the EU out of the massive savings I'll personally be getting if we leave the EU :pinch:

Andy, I'm surprised, do you really travel abroad without travel & personal insurance?
I did a very quick search and this came up. Not current, (I Hope), but although I do carry an E111, I would not trust the medical services in any county to accept this as security of payment.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/pers ... usage.html

From the article:

By Teresa Hunter 7:00AM BST 31 Mar 2013

It's good to have some facts at hand right ? :laugh:

I did mention clearly that the article was not current. The intent was to show that there was and possibly still is a reluctance of medical services in some countries to accept the UK E111 as a guarantee of payment for treatment.
I would never consider traveling outside of the UK without personal medical insurance. I think it is called common sense. Finding out that an E111 card is not acceptable when you are already sick of injured is stupid. For more information read: https://www.e111.org.uk/about.html .

NOTE:
It does not cover:
•The EHIC is not a substitute or replacement for private travel insurance. You should always take out an appropriate private policy in addition to carrying your EHIC.
•It will not cover the costs of private healthcare or services that are not part of the state healthcare system.
•It will not cover the costs of being brought back to the UK.
•It will not allow you to go abroad to specifically receive treatment (including going abroad to give birth).
•The card may not be used in some regions, as there may be no state provided healthcare available.

I've got private insurance and the EHIC card and I'd be offering the card up first if I needed it.