EU. In or out?

[Sleepy]

SO WHAT THE FLYING FLOCK IS HAPPENING TO GREECE...

Financially, Greece was never in a fit state or met the criteria to join the Euro..(look it up).. but it suited the Corrupt European Parliament for them to join, so they did!

[dave448]

they'll be doing menial tasks that nobody else wants to do
you would think that ..trouble is they are (mostly) hardworking and motivated on building a better life...
our poor (unskilled) natives are too well off ..so they can choose not to do the menial stuff.(its a rational avoidance behaviour)
so ..possibly our poor need to be poorer (no fags, sky tv, foreign holidays , cars etc)
that way we don't act as a magnet for the rest of the world and our lot have to do the ikky jobs.
now..
i don't like the implications of this ..back in the day grammar schools (education an' all that) were seen to enable social mobility .but now everyone has a degree (in media studies or summat) and huge debt (mind you did you see the number of eu students that have vanished making the debt irrecoverable?) ...aand if you don't have a degree you are filtered out of the good jobs....
its a fact tho .. your life chances are determined by you're family's values and you carry this invisible moral compass with you ..its got nothing to do with 'wealth' ..this sort of wealth is hard to measure ..which is why dave is sooo bangin on about economic prosperity .. he can count that ...
hmy:

[Loggy]

A friend of mine works for a small company that has to employ specilists from abroad because they can't successfully recruit in their sector from within the UK. Yesterday they had confirmation that they could employ an Australian economist, aged 31 years, on £82k per year, based in central London.

She is, apparently, highly-qualified and squeeky clean but it took 7 months for her...yes 7 months...to get a work visa to come to the UK and it's only valid for 5 years :huh: . Over that time they worked out that she'll pay £135,000 in Tax and National Insurance and she'll probably spend the rest of her nett money, £55,000 per year, on living expenses and buying things in London.

Contrast that with a Romaniabulgarianslovak gypsy who can just come here permanently with an EU passport and start working straightaway, probably take more out from the UK than they put it, and the whole system seems bonkers...I'm OUT (thumbs)

Amen. You're preaching to the converted brother!

[Redmurty]

SO WHAT THE FLYING FLOCK IS HAPPENING TO GREECE...

Financially, Greece was never in a fit state or met the criteria to join the Euro..(look it up).. but it suited the Corrupt European Parliament for them to join, so they did!

my point exactly and why I can't understand the people who want to belong to such an inept system the same system that will allow more countries to join that won't be best served and it will eventually cause it fall down

cheers Spud

[Scott_rider]

...the point was that a highly qualified Aussie had to go through the mill for 7 months to get a work visa and she will pay a small fortune in taxes when she is here for just 5 years. Yes, she could stay in Oz but the London company couldn't recruit anyone from the UK or the rest of the EU to do the same job. But an unskilled person can come here from the EU on a whim and probably send most of their money back home or claim benefits or work off the books for cash.

Surely anyone can see that has got to be a Bonkers system?
I'm still OUT (thumbs)

[CRAIGREVO]

Of course most of them won't, they'll be doing menial tasks that nobody else wants to do but are far more useful to us

That's the problem right there!!

The media constantly portrait our young/unskilled workers as lazy and unwilling to do menial jobs. While praising the mass influx of eastern European workers as grafters that are willing to do anything.

Yes they are willing to do anything,, including living in overcrowded houses that are little more than squats (to avoid paying our real world rental prices) while they are banking a wage that is well over 4 x what they can get at home. All while paying bare minimum tax and spending bare minimum on living while sending home a fat wedge to their family.

Our unqualified workers are not unwilling to do menial jobs at all. Its just that they live in the real world where they have to pay real world rent for their homes, and all the money they earn is spend directly on their life/family in this country.

Because the supply of workers out ways the demand for workers wages are artificially kept lower than the cost of real life living.

Then because our unqualified workers literally cant afford to live on the low wage, they are classed as lazy and unwilling by the media and automatically put in a discriminatory position when it comes to applying for work.

[CRAIGREVO]

Euro Myths Buster ( Courtesy of The London School of Economics)


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Point 1 Laws coming from Brussels. :whistle:

"The house of commons library tried to tot up the numbers in various combinations coming up with a number between 15% and 55%. But when they looked at figures from 2012 to 2013 the most recent available at the time, they calculated a whopping 59%!"



Here is the full documentary from the BBC a channel that the remain side usually class as unbiased.




Point 4Immigration "cost" includes schooling prison housing and NHS. Not just what they pay in tax.

"Those coming here in the last 15 years contributed as much to the economy as they took out in welfare payments and public services, according to MigrationWatch’s calculations.

Within that group eastern European migrants cost the Exchequer £2.8 billion in 2014-15 but this deficit was cancelled out by a £2.8 billion surplus generated by migrants from other European countries such as France and Spain.

Lord Green of Deddington, Migrationwatch’s chairman, said: “This report shows that EU migration, taken as a whole, is not making the positive fiscal contribution that has so often been claimed.

“Furthermore, it is adding to the rapidly increasing pressures on housing and public services."

[Chunkychops]

Euro Myths Buster ( Courtesy of The London School of Economics)


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[Mawnanian]

Of course most of them won't, they'll be doing menial tasks that nobody else wants to do but are far more useful to us

That's the problem right there!!

The media constantly portrait our young/unskilled workers as lazy and unwilling to do menial jobs. While praising the mass influx of eastern European workers as grafters that are willing to do anything.

Yes they are willing to do anything,, including living in overcrowded houses that are little more than squats (to avoid paying our real world rental prices) while they are banking a wage that is well over 4 x what they can get at home. All while paying bare minimum tax and spending bare minimum on living while sending home a fat wedge to their family.
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Our unqualified workers are not unwilling to do menial jobs at all. Its just that they live in the real world where they have to pay real world rent for their homes, and all the money they earn is spend directly on their life/family in this country.

Because the supply of workers out ways the demand for workers wages are artificially kept lower than the cost of real life living.

Then because our unqualified workers literally cant afford to live on the low wage, they are classed as lazy and unwilling by the media and automatically put in a discriminatory position when it comes to applying for work.

But this is the real world. UK citizens do not have a divine right to a better standard of living than the East Europeans. If they want to do the same job they will have to accept the same standard of living.
The only other way would be to increase the wages for the poorest paid jobs. Then prices would go up, then those in semi skilled jobs would want to maintain the wage differential and so on.
The resulting increase in inflation would cause interest rates to rise and no more cheap mortgages etc and there would be howls of protest not least from those who had voted for brexit in the first place.
But don't worry, it will never happen because it suits the powers that be in both Westminster and Brussels to have a low wage economy in spite of what they may say.

[CRAIGREVO]

But this is the real world. UK citizens do not have a divine right to a better standard of living than the East Europeans. If they want to do the same job they will have to accept the same standard of living.

They cant accept the same standard of living that's the thing. They cant move into an overcrowded house with 6 other men and pay 1/6 of the rent while living on basic food only, and sending the rest of their wages home to the wife and kids to live well. There wouldn't be enough to feed his wife and kids in this country let alone pay their rent.