TRF becomming Extinct?

[Crossrutted]

Ralph, the flaw with relying upon riding illegally, is that access will become impossible on most/some lanes as farmers/local authorities will quickly install gates/fences/obstructions.

So the loss of legal trail riding really means the loss of trail riding IMO.

[Richard Simpson]

Hey Ralph,


Do you have a favourite lane that you can no longer ride, because it's been TRO'd?


Well, you could join the TRF and ask for help in finding out if the TRO could be lifted.

This is called 'doing something positive'.

People who do positive things generally end up feeling better about themselves and those around them.

No, I live in Northamptonshire where the local authority is pretty sensible and just TRO's 4x4 from October to April. There's plenty of lanes to ride too even if you insist on staying 100% legal you can go out for the full day and not do every lane within 20 miles of my house.

If they were all getting closed I'd ride illegally.

I feel great about myself because I do "do something positive" and give the 45 quid to charity.

Being part of spending tens of thousands getting one TRO lifted, for the benefit the few that use it, paid for by the many members that never will, would make me feel terrible.

And which well-known motorcycle trail riding organisation do you think is responsible for the happy state of affairs in Northants?

[Crossrutted]

And which well-known motorcycle trail riding organisation do you think is responsible for the happy state of affairs in Northants?

GLC?? Hells Angels?? :whistle:

[AndyB]

Hey Ralph,


Do you have a favourite lane that you can no longer ride, because it's been TRO'd?


Well, you could join the TRF and ask for help in finding out if the TRO could be lifted.

This is called 'doing something positive'.

People who do positive things generally end up feeling better about themselves and those around them.

No, I live in Northamptonshire where the local authority is pretty sensible and just TRO's 4x4 from October to April. There's plenty of lanes to ride too even if you insist on staying 100% legal you can go out for the full day and not do every lane within 20 miles of my house.

If they were all getting closed I'd ride illegally.

I feel great about myself because I do "do something positive" and give the 45 quid to charity.

Being part of spending tens of thousands getting one TRO lifted, for the benefit the few that use it, paid for by the many members that never will, would make me feel terrible.

And which well-known motorcycle trail riding organisation do you think is responsible for the happy state of affairs in Northants?

Would it be the same one that suggested I chase North Bedfordshire council for myself about not lifting temporary TROs because not enough TRF members used them for it to be worth pursuing?

Like a few others I stopped being a member because of the political in fighting and the concentrating on high visibilty fights where certain people would get the opportunity to be interviewed by newspapers and even tv stations if they were really lucky.

Right now I'm more likely to join GLASS than the TRF.

[Pint Master]

I will certainly be giving a great deal of thought as to renewing my membership when it comes up in December when you see mild mannered even handed members being barred from the forum and people who've been in the TRF since the 70s and personify the meaning of Fellowship being treated like naughty school children.

[kev.t]

just renewed my membership (thumbs)

[-Ralph-]

Hey Ralph,


Do you have a favourite lane that you can no longer ride, because it's been TRO'd?


Well, you could join the TRF and ask for help in finding out if the TRO could be lifted.

This is called 'doing something positive'.

People who do positive things generally end up feeling better about themselves and those around them.

No, I live in Northamptonshire where the local authority is pretty sensible and just TRO's 4x4 from October to April. There's plenty of lanes to ride too even if you insist on staying 100% legal you can go out for the full day and not do every lane within 20 miles of my house.

If they were all getting closed I'd ride illegally.

I feel great about myself because I do "do something positive" and give the 45 quid to charity.

Being part of spending tens of thousands getting one TRO lifted, for the benefit the few that use it, paid for by the many members that never will, would make me feel terrible.

And which well-known motorcycle trail riding organisation do you think is responsible for the happy state of affairs in Northants?

This one www.northamptonshire.gov.uk/rightsofway

[-Ralph-]

Ralph, the flaw with relying upon riding illegally, is that access will become impossible on most/some lanes as farmers/local authorities will quickly install gates/fences/obstructions.

So the loss of legal trail riding really means the loss of trail riding IMO.

Can't see it myself, too much money to install gates and fences unless there's a problem with people not respecting the land. So yes, maybe if your farm borders an edge of town council estate full of tossers with crossers, then gates will go up, and they are probably up already because tossers with crosser don't care about rights of way laws.

But out where I live, there's no reason to, I don't think I've ever seen any other motorised traffic on the legal lanes we have now. Farmers having to keep a massive bunch of keys in every tractor, jump down and spend 5 minutes finding the right one at every gate? Spending thousands putting up gates because once in a blue moon they see an illegal trail rider? No, won't happen.

[Crossrutted]

Ralph, the flaw with relying upon riding illegally, is that access will become impossible on most/some lanes as farmers/local authorities will quickly install gates/fences/obstructions.

So the loss of legal trail riding really means the loss of trail riding IMO.

Can't see it myself, too much money to install gates and fences unless there's a problem with people not respecting the land. So yes, maybe if your farm borders an edge of town council estate full of tossers with crossers, then gates will go up, and they are probably up already because tossers with crosser don't care about rights of way laws.

But out where I live, there's no reason to, I don't think I've ever seen any other motorised traffic on the legal lanes we have now. Farmers having to keep a massive bunch of keys in every tractor, jump down and spend 5 minutes finding the right one at every gate? Spending thousands putting up gates because once in a blue moon they see an illegal trail rider? No, won't happen.

Ralph, no idea where you go , however where I walk, cycle and ride, farmers already use locked gates to limit access to their fields, tracks etc, do you really think they won't jump at the chance to keep you "orf my land"?

Unless of course, it's just me they're targeting ! hmy:

[Redmurty]

Government endorses the benefits that off road training offers to licensed road riders

Potentially reducing accidents the physical nature brings health benefits
there could also be economic benefits if more land is made available the UK could become an international destination for world class motorcycle training the value of motorcycle tourism in the UK could grow from it's current £500 million per annum market

article in the MSL mag,

wonder how that may affect green lanes ? and the TRF ?

cheers Spud