TRF becomming Extinct?

[Pint Master]

The TRF aren't the only people trying to keep lanes open so no, the lanes wouldn't have been shut if it wasn't for the TRF.

http://www.glass-uk.org

Both organisations do their bit to keep access open to all users and without the financial help from both organisations we'd be in a lot worse position than we are now.

The Countryside Act 1981,GLASS wasn't founded till 1995.

[AndyB]

The TRF aren't the only people trying to keep lanes open so no, the lanes wouldn't have been shut if it wasn't for the TRF.

http://www.glass-uk.org

Both organisations do their bit to keep access open to all users and without the financial help from both organisations we'd be in a lot worse position than we are now.

The Countryside Act 1981,GLASS wasn't founded till 1995.

I thought they'd been around longer than that so thanks for the correction.

[micksea]

if you are interested in doing more in protecting our hobby then please join the trail riders group i have started on this forum.[/quote]




which riders group?????

[johnnyboxer]

Hey Ralph,


Do you have a favourite lane that you can no longer ride, because it's been TRO'd?


Well, you could join the TRF and ask for help in finding out if the TRO could be lifted.

This is called 'doing something positive'.

People who do positive things generally end up feeling better about themselves and those around them.

Well said Richard (thumbs)

[MikeIrving]

if you are interested in doing more in protecting our hobby then please join the trail riders group i have started on this forum.

which riders group?????[/quote]

http://www.adventurebikerider.com/hello ... iders.html

[-Ralph-]

Hey Ralph,


Do you have a favourite lane that you can no longer ride, because it's been TRO'd?


Well, you could join the TRF and ask for help in finding out if the TRO could be lifted.

This is called 'doing something positive'.

People who do positive things generally end up feeling better about themselves and those around them.

No, I live in Northamptonshire where the local authority is pretty sensible and just TRO's 4x4 from October to April. There's plenty of lanes to ride too even if you insist on staying 100% legal you can go out for the full day and not do every lane within 20 miles of my house.

If they were all getting closed I'd ride illegally.

I feel great about myself because I do "do something positive" and give the 45 quid to charity.

Being part of spending tens of thousands getting one TRO lifted, for the benefit the few that use it, paid for by the many members that never will, would make me feel terrible.

[-Ralph-]

Just seen the FB post about Hexham Lane https://www.facebook.com/TrailRidersFel ... ED&fref=nf

Brilliant news, well done to all at the TRF who helped make this happen. Good work fellas (thumbs)

Dave

It is good news....but how much did it cost?

£14,XXX raised to put towards a fund to fight the TRO. And it resulted in an experimental TRO where 4x4's appear to be banned. So any ideas what the final figure will be to save the lane. Im just curious.

Precisely my issue. That's a lot of other people's £45 quid's. It's like the insurance industry, everyone pays a bit in, a few take a lot out.

Fair do's to the people who do pay, they know where their money is going and they are still happy to pay it, but it's not for me.

[Mike54]

Frankly this is a losing battle anyway, so whilst I used to be a TRF member these days I will use the 45 quid for Macmillan, and I feel a lot better for it.

[-Ralph-]

You know what, there's something extremely liberating and enjoyable about going wherever you want, sticking two fingers up to the establishment and dropping all concept of rights of way your thought process. Doesn't matter whether your walking (Scotland has the right idea with "Right to Roam"), cycling or on a motorbike.

Tonight I was exploring a 1960's Thor Nuclear Missle launch pad on foot with the dog (not mine unfortunately, dogsitting for a week).

Just going exploring is the most enjoyable form of riding for me. Question "what's down that track?", then just ride it. I'm not into speed, I don't care about the most challenging terrain, most of the lanes I ride can be done slowly in a normal car.

I just want to get out into the countryside, get a feeling of space, and see things I can't see from the road.

So long as you respect peoples property, crops and animals, and their peace, there shouldn't be an issue. Our rights of way laws are just stupid.

And Mike54 is dead right, legal green laning is a losing battle.

[Crossrutted]

W

there is a school of thought that if you stop paying membership fees the revenue will go down and eventually the remaining Directors ( two in particular) would not be able to do what they want, get fed up and leave. whilst i understand the sentiment they already are too blind to see what they are doing is detrimental and probably won't notice the leavers unless it really becomes a significant number, outstripping the new members they are recruiting each year most of whom leave after the first year or so anyway through disappointment at not getting what they were promised in the first place.

What is needed is for a significant number of members to actually vote them off the Board. it would be good if there we people to stand in their places and in fact some of the directors who resigned would stand again but not alongside all the existing directors. thats why we resigned in the first place because we weren't listened to and our minority votes counted fro nothing.

we should not be worried about there not being enough Directors. the real skills, passion and fellowship is in the groups. As long as we have three or four its enough to pull the groups together, share best practice, manage the funds and coordinate the National campaign.

the TRF does not exist to control who, how and when the lanes are to be used. the existing and new proposed policies do specifically suggest this. the rules have been changed to make it harder for ordinary members to challenge and those that do are publicly ridiculed, have lies told about them, are banned from speaking out publicly and whitewashed off the media's. The TRF is also being used by an increasing number of individuals for personal gain whether directly through fee's or indirectly.

the Trf is currently being run along the same lines as the Remain campaign, half truths and scaremongering in the hope that when in doubt things will be left as they are. just because they are writing 5 page policies (when 5 lines will do) does not make them good. Good news is repeated and Bulled up to show industry and success. TRO's being overturned only to be replaced with temporary ones. Grants are being given to buy support and national interference in local issues.

vote the current directors off at this next AGM and get the groups working. Form closer relationships with Glass, Treadlightly and other user groups. Support Lara more vigorously, rejoin the BMF and get the ACU to do more. lobby the government and authorities to do more about illegal use of the lanes, helping them if we can, do more to persuade the public that we should have more access and educate the users into being more responsible.

if you are interested in doing more in protecting our hobby then please join the trail riders group i have started on this forum.

When will the AGM proxy vote system be communicated? Last year it was so close to the AGM all kinds of fuss was needed to collect them ( except within Herts TRF probably), anybody would think it was done on purpose.
A good solid vote is needed to rid the TRF of Costalot, Kerfuffle and Saboteur.