Adventure Bike Rider Forum

KtmRy wrote:

Richard Simpson wrote: Chapelgate, Roych, Long Causeway and Leys Lane were all closed by the National Park Authority to ‘preserve their beauty and amenity’

They did a good job of that getting all the heavy machinery in and grading it all, i don't know how that preserves the beauty and amenity.

Seen this fella all over facebook and signed i it months ago, he is trying his best to be a thorn in their side which he seems to be doing a good job of it but will it change anything, i very much doubt it

You may have signed the original petition to the NPA...could you check and if it was, could you sign this one to the Highways Authority?

Signed.

The text of my comment on Change.org:

It is my right as a tax payer with a legal and taxed motorcycle to ride roads that have been legal for decades. I have been forced to ride elsewhere because of the shortsighted views of the PDNPA. On any given day in Derbyshire I would spend in the region of £50 on food/fuel/other items that I now spend elsewhere in places like north Wales.

I've signed, but it's a pity it was posted on change.org which is an organisation set up to basically make money from campaigns.

A better site to post this on (when it's back up after the election) would be http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/

Thanks Tim. I'll pass that on to the organiser.

KtmRy wrote:

Mike101 wrote:As bikers we can win this if we prove once and for all that we do not damage the countryside

That is maybe the case Mike but while ever the TRF are sticking by the 4x4s then thats never going to happen, its a no win situation because the TRF stand by GLASS which in my opinion GLASS being mainly 4x4s cause 99.9% of the damage so motorbikes and the TRF are branded the same yet if the TRF was to ditch GLASS then they lose half of the people fighting the battle.

That's just my opinion and not a dig at the TRF so lets not get into the big debate (thumbs)

Unless we team up with ALL the other user groups, it's all going to be lost. The biggest damage causer is water erosion, simple as that. Farm traffic creates far bigger ruts than 4x4s, ruts create more runs for water etc etc. If you take the view that X user group is causing Y damage and you want them banned, you're no better than the ramblers.

signed

Mike54 wrote:

KtmRy wrote:

Mike101 wrote:As bikers we can win this if we prove once and for all that we do not damage the countryside

That is maybe the case Mike but while ever the TRF are sticking by the 4x4s then thats never going to happen, its a no win situation because the TRF stand by GLASS which in my opinion GLASS being mainly 4x4s cause 99.9% of the damage so motorbikes and the TRF are branded the same yet if the TRF was to ditch GLASS then they lose half of the people fighting the battle.

That's just my opinion and not a dig at the TRF so lets not get into the big debate (thumbs)

Unless we team up with ALL the other user groups, it's all going to be lost. The biggest damage causer is water erosion, simple as that. Farm traffic creates far bigger ruts than 4x4s, ruts create more runs for water etc etc. If you take the view that X user group is causing Y damage and you want them banned, you're no better than the ramblers.

I always take the view that we're stronger together and larger numbers make a stronger argument.

Our opponents draw little distinction between 4x4s and trail bikes. They hate us both equally.

There is a logical argument for saying 4x4s should be kept off soft-surfaced lanes etc where damage occurs (and I support them), but our opponents are not interested in logical arguments.

They are interested in nebulous arguments over unquantifiable factors such as tranquility and natural landscapes (which they freely admit are not actually natural, but just look as though they might be to a very ignorant eye).

And that's what they thrive on!

Fought this good fight in the past, signed petitions, filled out objections, and written letters, but I've given up now, I don't give a hoot anymore.

When I get my next off-road bike the number plate will be held on with velcro. I'll ride with respect to the routes I'm on, do no damage, and not ride anything that is already damaged. I'll respect farmers animals, crops, and buildings. I'll respect walkers, horse riders and mountain bikers. My bike will be properly silenced. I won't ride fast. I'll have quiet enjoyment of my bike and the countryside, and do no harm to anybody or anything. Just as I do when I'm off road riding in France or Portugal. These are the basic respects I was taught as a decent person, not to unduly worry or disturb other people, not to compromise their safety, or abuse their property.

What I won't be giving any respect to is the ridiculous rights of way laws in this country. So long as there's a dirt track wide enough to get a motorcycle down it, I'll ride where the hell I like.

Can't get a copper to turn up within 20 minutes when your house is being burgled right in the middle of town, so good luck getting one to come to some footpath in the middle of the countryside because I'm riding a motorbike down it with the registration plate in my back pack.

Guess what PDNPA, once you've closed every legal lane in your area, the riders in your area are going to get so pissed off they'll all do the same, then your "beauty and amenity" will really be f#*ked.

Mike54 wrote:

KtmRy wrote:

Mike101 wrote:As bikers we can win this if we prove once and for all that we do not damage the countryside

That is maybe the case Mike but while ever the TRF are sticking by the 4x4s then thats never going to happen, its a no win situation because the TRF stand by GLASS which in my opinion GLASS being mainly 4x4s cause 99.9% of the damage so motorbikes and the TRF are branded the same yet if the TRF was to ditch GLASS then they lose half of the people fighting the battle.

That's just my opinion and not a dig at the TRF so lets not get into the big debate (thumbs)

Unless we team up with ALL the other user groups, it's all going to be lost. The biggest damage causer is water erosion, simple as that. Farm traffic creates far bigger ruts than 4x4s, ruts create more runs for water etc etc. If you take the view that X user group is causing Y damage and you want them banned, you're no better than the ramblers.

Not sure I agree with you there...in Wiltshire where I am most of the damage I see is caused in places that farmers don't go...and I di t see how water could cause 12 inch deep ruts exactly the same distance apart for miles.

The is is one trail near me that is just stupid...its wide...on one side is a hard packed trail that is used by a farmer to get to his pigs...but 6 ft to the other side is a grassy soft part...covered in very deep ruts and mud holes all made by 4x4s

I took some guys on here out for a day on the plain a few months ago. We tried a nice hill trail but it had been utterly destroyed by 4x4s again making massive trenches and making huge mud holes.

I can't speak for the North but in the south it's obvious to see the damage caused by cars.

Mike