I used to work in Distribution for an Oil Company

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garyboy wrote: Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:48 pm I think this globalisation effect is across the board in UK, and probably eu too, engineered by collaborative governments and big firms, for more profit. At least Mr Johnson is pledged now to put an end to that, and improve our standard of living.. to put right what the .. er .. tory government has been complicit in.

As for using extra hgv drivers.. I cannot see why any hgv driver can not use colour coded feed pipes for each fuel compartment (seems they do anyway?) . Extention pipes if reversing is difficult, even onto to roads if needed, even with police escort, . Or why single chamber tankers can not be used, with one tanker doing several garages?

I don't think this has been thought through!!

Or perhaps it HAS (elec is best?)
I'll leave the politics alone and answer the big tanker question. There are no meters on the tankers that the Oil Cos use, and drivers are trained to drop out the full amount that is in that chamber on the tanker (into the right underground tank hopefully!). When the driver arrives, he'll meet the site manager, who will have printed out from their Point of Sale machine the volumes available in each tank. With this they can confirm that the destination tank has enough room for the load to be dropped off. As others have said its a stressful job, and you want to make it as easy as possible.
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Peirre wrote: Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:51 am My brother, cousin and grandad where not hgv drivers, so that’s out the way, BUT I am one. No one wants to work the equivalent of two weeks work for 1 weeks wages, live in a tin box all week getting stressed out wondering if you will make it home alive at the end of the week, or be prosecuted or jailed for doing the job. They miss seeing their children grow up, are unable to plan the simplest of things such a dental appointment, see a doctor or even attend a parents evening as they are “down the road” Divorce is is high among couples who have a truck driver in the family.
There are an estimated 100k uk hgv license holders who have hung the keys and decided to stop driving and pursue a different career, partially because they are fed up with the crap day in, day out, furlough showed them that there is a better life for only a little bit less income.
Brexit isn’t the cause of the driver shortage, as there’s a global shortage of drivers, many of the east European drivers where working self employed under the IR35 scheme and they where being chased by the taxman for huge sums of money, so I doubt that they will come back as the government will want the money back.
As for fuel tanker drivers, Hoyer has killed off the job in pursuit of profit, and they’re done that by driving down costs inc wages and drivers are leaving in droves. Afaik there are at least 7 different pay rates at hoyer for doing the same thing. I know of one Dewsbury haulier who pays 59p above NMW for class 1 drivers
So my Dad was an HGV driver too, so I know what it's like growing up in a house where Dad was away, and when he came back he just wanted to relax. This was in the 70-80s and I agree...who would want to do the job now? I started doing HGV training when I was in my 20s (mainly so I could have the craic with our Tanker drivers), but it was really hard...way to hard for me.

The only way we managed to get this far with the growth of the Country was because we did have access to that big EU pool of drivers (and butchers, and farm workers, and cleaners). The drivers that had had enough would leave, but there would always be another turning up the next week to take his place in the pool. People wanted to work in the UK. Now, not only is the UK a pretty crap place to live, they couldn't work here if they wanted to. Wages will go up. On that back of that, costs will, and inflation will. Any cash savings in the bank will be worth less and less. That's economics. It'll actually be a good time to get into debt.

Personally I really dislike where we are at as a country. Just 10 years ago we did the Olympics and we were the envy of the world. Now look at us!
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25 years as a tanker driver including a sort spell with a Dutch tanker firm with 900 drivers. Euro truck driving is loads better then UK driving.came of tankers on to low loaders 40mm over width 3 points and £500 fine, on the first week then I had a change of career. That was 16 years ago, I now know what time I'm finishing work and I don't get penalised for going a minute over my time.

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Spot on, Beany.

It's a fact that truck driver's wages had not, until the recent events, even recovered to what they were in 2008.

I applaud any driver who uses the current situation to better themselves. And if that means their boss can't buy wifey a new Range Rover this year, then that's tough, but fair. A surplus of labour was used to drive wages down and the drivers had to suck it up. Now there's a shortage of labour, and it's payback time. People now want to be drivers again for the first time in decades. That's a good thing.

It's Market Economics, so the Conservatives must support it. And it's working people bettering themselves, so Labour must support it.

People say...oh it's not fair, nurses don't get those rises. Well all NHS nurses get a rise every year for just having been in the job for a year...then they get another for inflation, then if they get an extra qualification there's another rise as well.

Perhaps foreign workers are undermining nurses wages, and that's why nurses aren't being paid enough and it's difficult to recruit Brits to do the job?
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People say...oh it's not fair, nurses don't get those rises. Well all NHS nurses get a rise every year for just having been in the job for a year...then they get another for inflation, then if they get an extra qualification there's another rise as well.

Please can you send a link to where you found that information.
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Well, I used to go out with a nurse, but I'm not sending you a link to her

But you'll find more info here:

https://www.nurses.co.uk/careers-hub/nursing-pay-guide/

It's only ever the 'inflation' figure that's discussed.
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I you want a real laugh, see what the NHS top brass thinks that it's worth when it decides how much it's paying itself.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8108238/1 ... es-250000/

and ask anyone who works in the NHS how good these people are...
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Richard Simpson Mark II wrote: Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:37 pm Well, I used to go out with a nurse, but I'm not sending you a link to her

But you'll find more info here:

https://www.nurses.co.uk/careers-hub/nursing-pay-guide/

It's only ever the 'inflation' figure that's discussed.
I’d rather believe the news items that explain how even last year after all the clapping nurses were awarded a sub-inflation pay rise after years of pay deflation. The idea that it’s a gilt edged pay structure is bizarre.
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That's true...but it was one of three pay rises.

There's an additional automatic rise for 'doing another year in the NHS,' plus another available if you choose and succeed in going for a promotion or qualification.

Poor wages aren't top of the list of complaints from NHS nurses. Short staffing and abuse/violence from the public if you work in A&E are more of an issue. Violence is also an issue if you work in what used to be geriatric wards. There was even a dangerous patient in the cardio ward I was in. I had to get between him and a nurse he took a dislike to.
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bill_qaz wrote: Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:50 pm You need ADR as well as your LGV licence to drive a fuel tanker
You also need a Petroleum drivers passport to load fuel tankers at the refineries and to discharge them at the point of sale. Without it and even with an ADR you can’t load fuel.
Btw I’ve done the full adr training course twice 7 classes + tanks and packages, but let it lapse both times as there’s no premium pay for having it
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