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daveuprite wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 1:44 pm Don't really get your point here. <snip>

My point was really that one can't trust the press (generally) to provide difinitive and incisive reporting of any situation, much less from any distance.
Most non-tabloid press does not only publish pieces to please its advertisers - that's too cynical ... <snip> ... That's not to say that abuse of interest never happens, but it's much rarer than people like to think.
I suspect bias is more prevelant than people think, unsconscious or conscious. The Guardian and Independent both seem to be less-biased than many other media outlets.
And yes the numbers DO matter. <snip>
The numbers only matter if (a) they have some context and (b) they are measuring apples with apples.
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Another fucking Arsewipe inhabiting our country's political class shows his colours


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Asgard wrote: Thu May 14, 2020 12:59 pm Another fucking Arsewipe inhabiting our country's political class shows his colours


Seriously ?? You're going to believe the Sun newspaper !!! The only "aresewipe" there is that pathetic excuse for a newspaper.

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north- ... n-18238540

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... an-gething
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It's classic distraction strategy. The Sun and others are Murdoch papers, which for the moment are totally signed up to the Tory / Johnson / Brexit project. That project is currently full of holes but just about floating above the water-line, So Murdoch papers will make much of any story they can spin to distract from Downing Street failure. It's a bit desperate, but completely predictable. Don't be fooled by it.

The guilt or otherwise of the Welsh minister is largely irrelevant. Technically his chip-eating is within the rules, but that's not the point. He could be wrong - it's irrelevant. Whenever you see a right-wing attempt to slur the opposition, it's all about distraction. Make the populous look the other way to distract them from the much bigger policy disaster which has doomed thousands of poor people to a lonely, drowning death in overstretched, under-equipped ICU units.

I know the difference between "look a squirrel" and genuine betrayal of tax-payers' investment. Do you?
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Exactly, and now they're trying to smear Keir Starmer who is presenting a more robust opposition now, which might be worrying some tories.
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To be honest the standards that we accept nowadays of our politicians are so low you cannot be surprised. Maybe standards were low in the past and we rarely found out about them, however I cannot imagine us having a coke snorting, misogynistic, racist, philanderer in No.10 forty years ago.
Still I expect from a Sun, Mail, Express it Torygraph readers perspective any kind of socialist would be worse :lol:
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This just dropped in my inbox and makes interesting reading. I saw lots of idiots on bikes out in the Peaks who could do with reading the bit about not damaging the image of biking.


The UK’s leading motorcycle rider groups call on the Government to recognise the role of motorcycling during the COVID-19 crisis

The country’s largest motorcycling organisations have today jointly submitted a White Paper to the Secretary of State, Grant Shapps, and to each of the three devolved administrations.

The coalition of organisations is calling for the Government to fully take the role of motorcycling into account as the UK continues to deal with the Covid19 crisis and its aftermath. The coalition also sets out the case for a Government-supported code of guidance for maintaining social distancing for motorcycling in the present situation.

The coalition of organisations consists of the Motorcycle Action Group (MAG), Vintage Motorcycle Club (VMCC), the Trail Riders Fellowship (TRF) and the British Motorcyclists Federation (BMF). The groups jointly commissioned a White Paper which was submitted to the Secretary of State earlier today.

The white paper:

• Reviews ways the crisis is affecting motorcycle riding.

• Discusses the conditions under which motorcyclists can continue to ride safely during the various COVID 19 Alert Level phases.
• Sets out the case for a Government-supported code of guidance for maintaining social distancing for riding in the present phase.

• Sets the scene for review and discussion with the Government about how restrictions affecting motorcycling can gradually be lifted as the Country enters future lockdown phases.

• Makes the case for encouraging the use of motorcycles as well as walking and cycling, during the crisis exit strategy and beyond.

• Opens the discussion on policy proposals that could help encourage greater take-up of motorcycling by commuters, avoiding public transport in line with Government guidance.

In a debate in the House of Commons on 12th May, Secretary of State for Transport, Grant Shapps, commented that “Motorcycles are an enormously important way of getting around”. With Mr Shapps recognising the role of motorcycling, it seems clear that it is time to take discussions further with the Department for Transport (DfT). This paper is designed to create a starting point for that detailed debate.

MAG Chair, Selina Lavender, said: “A new transport normal can only be achieved by consensus of all road user groups. We look forward to consulting with the Government to ensure that motorcycles are given their rightful position in that new normal.”

VMCC Chair, Bob Clark, said: “The VMCC is the UK's largest motorcycle club, although the average age of our membership is nearly seventy. Our members are thus perhaps more concerned with adherence to the guidelines than may be the case with other segments of the population. However, for us, motorcycling is more than transport, and is often the physical and mental exercise essential for our members' wellbeing. The VMCC seeks confirmation that those of our members who are fit and healthy can both remain within the law and enjoy the motorcycling that is their chosen form of exercise.”

TRF Chair, Mario Costa-Sa, commented: “The TRF Code of Conduct provides a key role in training trail and adventure riders, and compliance with COVID guidance is no exception. Trail Riders want clarity; they look to us as leaders of the largest motorcycle groups to interpret and communicate the Government's public message."

BMF Chair, Jim Freeman, commented, “The time has come for the motorcycle to shine as a serious urban alternative to public transport, cycling and walking. For many, the typical public transport journey is too far to be walked or cycled. The car takes up far too much road and parking space.”

The White Paper “Riding COVID safe: a discussion paper” can be accessed here: https://bit.ly/2LqZSrt

In summary, our current advice is:
● As lockdown measures are eased, whether you ride for essential reasons or just for recreation, observe social distancing and good hygiene measures at all times to help halt transmission of the virus.

● Ride alone or with, at most, one other person, other than members of your own household.

● Stay well away from other people. Take food and drink etc with you.

● Be COVID-safe at fuel stops.

● Do not gather in crowds.

● Know what COVID safety kit you are going to take with you and use it sensibly.

● Plan your route so you can always return home safely the same day.

● Know how you are going to deal safely with any emergencies.

● Do not ride at all if you or members of your household have symptoms and need to self-isolate.

● Think carefully about the risks if you are over 70 or have a pre-existing condition.

● Don't damage the image of motorcycling in the lockdown by riding irresponsibly.

● Be aware that, at present, the guidelines for leaving the house for other than essential reasons may be different in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.

The Vintage Motor Cycle Club Limited was formed in 1946 by a band of 38 enthusiasts and membership today stands at over 14,000 - but this has been achieved without losing any of the camaraderie or helpfulness which is usually associated with smaller clubs.
The Vintage Motor Cycle Club Ltd is a company registered in England and Wales, Reg. No. 1570648. Registered address: Allen House, Wetmore Road, Burton upon Trent, Staffordshire, DE14 1TR, VAT No: 111 2121 54.
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Asgard wrote: Thu May 14, 2020 8:36 pm
Nico-D wrote: Thu May 14, 2020 2:12 pm
Asgard wrote: Thu May 14, 2020 12:59 pm Another fucking Arsewipe inhabiting our country's political class shows his colours


Seriously ?? You're going to believe the Sun newspaper !!! The only "aresewipe" there is that pathetic excuse for a newspaper.

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north- ... n-18238540

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... an-gething
Bullshit, he sat down and had 15 minutes on a bench, they tried to re-write the rules cos he was caught out. (the rules in Wales were not relaxed to the extent they were in England))
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Seriously ?? You're going to believe the Sun newspaper !!! The only "aresewipe" there is that pathetic excuse for a newspaper.

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north- ... n-18238540

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... an-gething
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Bullshit, he sat down and had 15 minutes on a bench, they tried to re-write the rules cos he was caught out. (the rules in Wales were not relaxed to the extent they were in England))

Quote the Welsh Assembly..."Can I stay out for a bit on my walk?

Sorry but picnics are banned - as is sitting for a "prolonged period" on benches."


So as I said, the Health minister thinks he is above the rules and when caught the welsh assembly somehow rewrite them....arseholes to a man.
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