EU. In or out?

[Asgard]

Actually thats the point Richard we Dodged a bullet if we had joined up then we would no doubt be amongst the net contributers that are about to have whats owed to them disappear in a Puff of autocratic smoke

[Jak*]

We would also be amongst those benefitting from the Covid bailout.
I remember very similar gloom ridden forecasts post the 2008 financial crash. The reality, whilst not all sweetness and light was that the Eurozone stayed together and most countries eventually came out of the recession before the UK and in a better position. An article in the FT last week pointed out that the UK has spent far more than most EU countries to try to mitigate the impact of Covid, but has had a higher death rate and a greater detrimental impact on our economy. It was interesting to see that Risky ignored the predicted impact of Brexit in his recent financial statement putting all the blame on Covid when most economists think even if we get a deal the impact of Brexit will be far greater.
There are some staggeringly ignorant comments in this article https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... covid-meet ,although I guess the Guardian’s bias might prevent it from printing any coherent positive Brexit opinions that they could find in the toilet of England.

[daveuprite]

There are some staggeringly ignorant comments in this article https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... covid-meet ,although I guess the Guardian’s bias might prevent it from printing any coherent positive Brexit opinions that they could find in the toilet of England.

You're being too accommodating, Jak, and I think you know it. There is no 'coherent positive brexit opinion' to be found. We've tried it many a time even on this little forum, and failed consistently. More normally now, you just get silence, perhaps to cover the embarrassment that brexiters can't bring themselves to express. It's a total pile of pooh. It was always going to be. It was predicted. It was inevitable. And now it's coming to pass. Even down to the absurd portaloos for lorry drivers on the M20.

[dave h]

The EU was always going to put us on the naughty step or at least try,
It's never going to go smoothly anyone who thought that is a right spastic,
We will survive one way or another covid ain't helping but shit happens,
No one's rejoicing for winning the yes or no brexit deal but that was that,
Some don't have to rub salt in the wound,
I still think if the vote was put it would be the same outcome,

Dave.

[Spike941]

The EU was always going to put us on the naughty step or at least try,
It's never going to go smoothly anyone who thought that is a right spastic,
We will survive one way or another covid ain't helping but shit happens,
No one's rejoicing for winning the yes or no brexit deal but that was that,
Some don't have to rub salt in the wound,
I still think if the vote was put it would be the same outcome,

Dave.

Put like that, one wonders what all the fuss was about. Not too sure the outcome of a second referendum would be the same.

[daveuprite]

New Dunkirk to Rosslare ferry route to open, in order to bypass brexit England. So DFDS are confident enough that the delays at English ports from next year will make it more attractive to spend 24 hours on a ferry puking all the way around Cornwall than to sit in the england to eire landbridge queues.

https://www.thejournal.ie/rosslare-dunk ... FDnWLnslSg

[daveuprite]

The EU was always going to put us on the naughty step or at least try,

The EU has done no such thing. It has tried its hardest all along to minimise the pain of brexit for both sides. Brexit is a lose-lose scenario so the best you can do is reduce the damage if you can. If the UK finds itself wearing a dunce's hat in naughty corner that's entirely self-inflicted.

It's never going to go smoothly anyone who thought that is a right spastic,

Except that every pro-brexit voice at the time of the referendum and for a fair time afterwards told the UK public that the process would be easy and bring enormous benefits. 52% of those who voted chose to believe them. So, in your words, that's a hell of a lot of 'spastics'.

We will survive one way or another covid ain't helping but shit happens,

So now the best the british public can hope for out of brexit is 'survival'. Wow, the bar really has been lowered hasn't it.

No one's rejoicing for winning the yes or no brexit deal but that was that,

Brexiters did a lot of rejoicing actually, as you know. There was lots of "you lost so shut up" talk, although that's mysteriously died down a bit lately!

Some don't have to rub salt in the wound,

So now it's being accepted that brexit is a 'wound'. What a strange thing for a country to want for itself.

I still think if the vote was put it would be the same outcome,

Evidence from most recent polls suggests otherwise.

[Ron3005]

The EU was always going to put us on the naughty step or at least try,

The EU has done no such thing. It has tried its hardest all along to minimise the pain of brexit for both sides. Brexit is a lose-lose scenario so the best you can do is reduce the damage if you can. If the UK finds itself wearing a dunce's hat in naughty corner that's entirely self-inflicted.

It's never going to go smoothly anyone who thought that is a right spastic,

Except that every pro-brexit voice at the time of the referendum and for a fair time afterwards told the UK public that the process would be easy and bring enormous benefits. 52% of those who voted chose to believe them. So, in your words, that's a hell of a lot of 'spastics'.

We will survive one way or another covid ain't helping but shit happens,

So now the best the british public can hope for out of brexit is 'survival'. Wow, the bar really has been lowered hasn't it.

No one's rejoicing for winning the yes or no brexit deal but that was that,

Brexiters did a lot of rejoicing actually, as you know. There was lots of "you lost so shut up" talk, although that's mysteriously died down a bit lately!

Some don't have to rub salt in the wound,

So now it's being accepted that brexit is a 'wound'. What a strange thing for a country to want for itself.

I still think if the vote was put it would be the same outcome,

Evidence from most recent polls suggests otherwise.

So glad for you're insite glad you've moved to france please stay there. It was a democratic vote that the uk has to carry out regardless of you're feelings and hurt or dont you believe in democracy.

[daveuprite]

So glad for you're insite glad you've moved to france please stay there. It was a democratic vote that the uk has to carry out regardless of you're feelings and hurt or dont you believe in democracy.

Whoever you are, if you're going to launch a personal attack could you at least try to spell some of it properly? Thanks. And while you're at it, how about tackling the actual points we're discussing rather than the person making them?

[Brenhden]

The EU was always going to put us on the naughty step or at least try,

The EU has done no such thing. It has tried its hardest all along to minimise the pain of brexit for both sides. Brexit is a lose-lose scenario so the best you can do is reduce the damage if you can. If the UK finds itself wearing a dunce's hat in naughty corner that's entirely self-inflicted.

It's never going to go smoothly anyone who thought that is a right spastic,

Except that every pro-brexit voice at the time of the referendum and for a fair time afterwards told the UK public that the process would be easy and bring enormous benefits. 52% of those who voted chose to believe them. So, in your words, that's a hell of a lot of 'spastics'.

We will survive one way or another covid ain't helping but shit happens,

So now the best the british public can hope for out of brexit is 'survival'. Wow, the bar really has been lowered hasn't it.

No one's rejoicing for winning the yes or no brexit deal but that was that,

Brexiters did a lot of rejoicing actually, as you know. There was lots of "you lost so shut up" talk, although that's mysteriously died down a bit lately!

Some don't have to rub salt in the wound,

So now it's being accepted that brexit is a 'wound'. What a strange thing for a country to want for itself.

I still think if the vote was put it would be the same outcome,

Evidence from most recent polls suggests otherwise.

So glad for you're insite glad you've moved to france please stay there. It was a democratic vote that the uk has to carry out regardless of you're feelings and hurt or dont you believe in democracy.

This isn't a personal attack, it's a rational response there is nothing personal in there. Politics is all about listening, understanding and responding to the issue not the person.