Xt660x wont start mirning after buying it ... all ran great yesterday and now it just wont go its like the immobilizer is stuck on tryed both keys and red key but wont turn off its like its stuck also asbthe temp light on aswell .
It as good compression
Is getting feul
Just wont spark
Which leads me to belivee its the immobilizer
Any help appreciated
Xt660x
Re: Xt660x
Greetings Mike,
I am not a Yamaha expert so can only provide you with general advice.
I presume from your comments that you have only just bought the bike and if so then get in touch with the seller and see if they have had similar problems in the past, can the bike be returned, help with costs, etc.
Ignition key immobiliser systems normally can only be reset using specialist equipment held by Yamaha dealers or specialist repairers such as;
http://www.motomatrix.co.uk
I do not know this company, I just found it on the internet. However first job is to fully recharge the motorcycle's battery and look for trapped or damaged wiring particularly around the headstock, clutch and side stand switches. I think that there is a method of running the on-board diagnostic system which may provide a code on the digital speedo unit. I think the process is, with the ignition switched off to hold down the two buttons on the console, switch the ignition on whilst still pressing down on the buttons and wait for the onboard to run its diagnostics. You should get a set of numbers which might give a clue to any onboard recorded faults.
I presume that the red key turns smoothly but if not then very gently press it away from the lettering whilst turning the key.
Might have to be a trip to a Yamaha dealer for further advice or investigation. Good luck but let us know how you get on.
TTFN
Hugh.
I am not a Yamaha expert so can only provide you with general advice.
I presume from your comments that you have only just bought the bike and if so then get in touch with the seller and see if they have had similar problems in the past, can the bike be returned, help with costs, etc.
Ignition key immobiliser systems normally can only be reset using specialist equipment held by Yamaha dealers or specialist repairers such as;
http://www.motomatrix.co.uk
I do not know this company, I just found it on the internet. However first job is to fully recharge the motorcycle's battery and look for trapped or damaged wiring particularly around the headstock, clutch and side stand switches. I think that there is a method of running the on-board diagnostic system which may provide a code on the digital speedo unit. I think the process is, with the ignition switched off to hold down the two buttons on the console, switch the ignition on whilst still pressing down on the buttons and wait for the onboard to run its diagnostics. You should get a set of numbers which might give a clue to any onboard recorded faults.
I presume that the red key turns smoothly but if not then very gently press it away from the lettering whilst turning the key.
Might have to be a trip to a Yamaha dealer for further advice or investigation. Good luck but let us know how you get on.
TTFN
Hugh.
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I have just recnetly bought the bike and the garage is closed so unable to get intouch with them at the minute .
The bike was fine i rode it home stopped at tue petrol station on way . Got home the wife had keys for door i forgot so went out again after switching of then got to wife again switched off then come back home put in garage went ot it wont start .
Checked all the wiring cant find no snaps no kinks etc the black key doesnt turn of the immobiliser i also have a red key and that doesnt seem to do it either so iam defiently think8ng its the imoobiliser . I have looked at taking it off but i dont think its as simple as just removing it from the wiring as it as a wire to the ecu so most send a signal to turn on and off so unsure if removing it would do anything at all ...
Its like the keys are not registerying with the unit did think maybe they have batrerys in key but there doesnt seem to be a way off opening the key without breaking it ...
I think that a visit to the dealers may be in order just didnt want to fork out allthe monry to the stealers i mean dealers to have it fixed if there was another way like removing the immobiliser completely .
Iam gonna take another look today and see if i can do anything but up to now iam still in the same boat and sinking ha ha i am even getting some help from an aussie guy called kev that makes the mods for them whos a guru on the xt660 but even he hasnt give me a fix yet ... nice to have the help though ..
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The bike was fine i rode it home stopped at tue petrol station on way . Got home the wife had keys for door i forgot so went out again after switching of then got to wife again switched off then come back home put in garage went ot it wont start .
Checked all the wiring cant find no snaps no kinks etc the black key doesnt turn of the immobiliser i also have a red key and that doesnt seem to do it either so iam defiently think8ng its the imoobiliser . I have looked at taking it off but i dont think its as simple as just removing it from the wiring as it as a wire to the ecu so most send a signal to turn on and off so unsure if removing it would do anything at all ...
Its like the keys are not registerying with the unit did think maybe they have batrerys in key but there doesnt seem to be a way off opening the key without breaking it ...
I think that a visit to the dealers may be in order just didnt want to fork out allthe monry to the stealers i mean dealers to have it fixed if there was another way like removing the immobiliser completely .
Iam gonna take another look today and see if i can do anything but up to now iam still in the same boat and sinking ha ha i am even getting some help from an aussie guy called kev that makes the mods for them whos a guru on the xt660 but even he hasnt give me a fix yet ... nice to have the help though ..
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Have you measured the voltage at the battery. I had a similar thing happen to me. I started my w650 as normal at work to go home. When I arrived - ten mile run- I switched off the engine while I went to open the garage door. Mounted the bike tried to start it - nothing, no starter no click from starter relay no lights. I then cupped my hand round the dials and could see a slight glimmer from the neutral light. Went into the house to get a voltmeter. Measured just three volts. What amazed me is that I went to Halfords the next day and they had a battery on the self. These bike batteries can fail suddenly.
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Re: Xt660x
Hello again Mike,
Since from your description of events it seems that you have only recently bought the bike from a dealer then the bike has to have a warrantee period and so I would very politely phone them in the morning and ask if they might have somebody who could call around to your house and try to start the bike with you. Keep calm and remain polite because at this stage we do not know the cause of the problem. It might be something simple or it might be complex and expensive. What ever you do, do not start to modify the wiring or such.
In the mean time charge the battery if you can from a battery charger and place the 'red' key somewhere warm and dry well away from anything magnetic. You can then, after a couple of hours, check your starting procedure, eg, cut out switch to run position, clutch pulled in, neutral selected, side stand up, and try again.
If you have a 'recovery' membership call them and see if they can send somebody out or leave until after you have spoken with the seller and then possibly recover the bike back to the dealership.
Depending upon the reaction of the dealer you might wish to rescind the contract and ask for a full refund or allow them to investigate and rectify. At the moment let's give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they are honest folk as most are. If however they do not offer a suitable solution then get on to the Citizens Advice bureau or your local trading standards office.
I would not modify the wiring as that could invalidate your insurance for theft cover.
TTFN
Hugh.
Since from your description of events it seems that you have only recently bought the bike from a dealer then the bike has to have a warrantee period and so I would very politely phone them in the morning and ask if they might have somebody who could call around to your house and try to start the bike with you. Keep calm and remain polite because at this stage we do not know the cause of the problem. It might be something simple or it might be complex and expensive. What ever you do, do not start to modify the wiring or such.
In the mean time charge the battery if you can from a battery charger and place the 'red' key somewhere warm and dry well away from anything magnetic. You can then, after a couple of hours, check your starting procedure, eg, cut out switch to run position, clutch pulled in, neutral selected, side stand up, and try again.
If you have a 'recovery' membership call them and see if they can send somebody out or leave until after you have spoken with the seller and then possibly recover the bike back to the dealership.
Depending upon the reaction of the dealer you might wish to rescind the contract and ask for a full refund or allow them to investigate and rectify. At the moment let's give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they are honest folk as most are. If however they do not offer a suitable solution then get on to the Citizens Advice bureau or your local trading standards office.
I would not modify the wiring as that could invalidate your insurance for theft cover.
TTFN
Hugh.
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Hi trevor it isnt the battery the bike turns over fine the lights are fine the hole thing is fine it just wont give a spark . The immobiliser light when i first got it would turn off withthe key but after leaving it a day now the bike wont start it turns over great like it would with immobiliser on but as the lights flashing all time and doesnt go of iam assuming its the immobiliser .Trevor Twobikes wrote:Have you measured the voltage at the battery. I had a similar thing happen to me. I started my w650 as normal at work to go home. When I arrived - ten mile run- I switched off the engine while I went to open the garage door. Mounted the bike tried to start it - nothing, no starter no click from starter relay no lights. I then cupped my hand round the dials and could see a slight glimmer from the neutral light. Went into the house to get a voltmeter. Measured just three volts. What amazed me is that I went to Halfords the next day and they had a battery on the self. These bike batteries can fail suddenly.
Trevor
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Re: Xt660x
I understand what your saying hugh but it was bought for 1700 so it was a trade sale really so no warranty as iam aware . I am still gonna ring in the morning to see what they say. At the minute iam gonna leave the battery off in a minute and charge it again and let everything die for now and re attach it in the morning and see what happens iam hoping the ecu or something will reset and sort the issue . Just dont see why the red key isnt working the immobiliser only other thing i was thinking was a bad earth from the immobiliser but without knowing the system and wiring wouldnt no were to look for the earth ...could be anywhere on the bike visibly i cant see any issues but the earth could be wired toghter inside the harness so with taking all to peieces wouldnt no and dont really wana do that ...the wife had a guy write her car off so i give her my wheels and said ill buy a bike to go work on. Was looking at a bike before wife decide open her shop but refrianed from it due to not knowing were the money would be or if she would even make any and now i spent on a bike and it dont work ha ha sods lawHugh wrote:Hello again Mike,
Since from your description of events it seems that you have only recently bought the bike from a dealer then the bike has to have a warrantee period and so I would very politely phone them in the morning and ask if they might have somebody who could call around to your house and try to start the bike with you. Keep calm and remain polite because at this stage we do not know the cause of the problem. It might be something simple or it might be complex and expensive. What ever you do, do not start to modify the wiring or such.
In the mean time charge the battery if you can from a battery charger and place the 'red' key somewhere warm and dry well away from anything magnetic. You can then, after a couple of hours, check your starting procedure, eg, cut out switch to run position, clutch pulled in, neutral selected, side stand up, and try again.
If you have a 'recovery' membership call them and see if they can send somebody out or leave until after you have spoken with the seller and then possibly recover the bike back to the dealership.
Depending upon the reaction of the dealer you might wish to rescind the contract and ask for a full refund or allow them to investigate and rectify. At the moment let's give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they are honest folk as most are. If however they do not offer a suitable solution then get on to the Citizens Advice bureau or your local trading standards office.
I would not modify the wiring as that could invalidate your insurance for theft cover.
TTFN
Hugh.
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Re: Xt660x
Greetings Mike,
I have been doing some searching online and came across this site which might be of interest to you;
http://xt660x.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=27
From the forum I found this;
"Still can't believe it, but bike is running Smile. Yesterday i started to read the service manual You gave me. Thanks to this i was sure, that this code really is connected to the immobiliser. The 51 code says, that there is no communication between the key and the immo. It was very usefull information for me Smile. As i was saying before, i have only immo without that metal part, where to put the key. I just put the key inside the immo as deep as possible, having hope it'll work. It didn't. As i knew thanks to the info about the 51 code i was sure, that the problem is not about the codes didn't match ( key <-> immo <-> ECU ), but there is just a problem to read that code from key. It was the reason for me, to combine with key and immo, so that the code can be read. Finally i found the reason that is the key cannot be insertet as deep, as possible, it must be a few cm above the immo. Such easy, but who can expect, that if the key is as close to the immo as possible, it wouldn't want to work Smile. I've already programmed the black key, so now i can sleep well. By the way, the service manual You gave me link to, is even more than great SmileSmile There is just everything Smile. Thanks a lot for helping me Smile. Lets ride..."
I have also found a copy of the owner's manual, attached.
TTFN
Hugh.
I have been doing some searching online and came across this site which might be of interest to you;
http://xt660x.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=27
From the forum I found this;
"Still can't believe it, but bike is running Smile. Yesterday i started to read the service manual You gave me. Thanks to this i was sure, that this code really is connected to the immobiliser. The 51 code says, that there is no communication between the key and the immo. It was very usefull information for me Smile. As i was saying before, i have only immo without that metal part, where to put the key. I just put the key inside the immo as deep as possible, having hope it'll work. It didn't. As i knew thanks to the info about the 51 code i was sure, that the problem is not about the codes didn't match ( key <-> immo <-> ECU ), but there is just a problem to read that code from key. It was the reason for me, to combine with key and immo, so that the code can be read. Finally i found the reason that is the key cannot be insertet as deep, as possible, it must be a few cm above the immo. Such easy, but who can expect, that if the key is as close to the immo as possible, it wouldn't want to work Smile. I've already programmed the black key, so now i can sleep well. By the way, the service manual You gave me link to, is even more than great SmileSmile There is just everything Smile. Thanks a lot for helping me Smile. Lets ride..."
I have also found a copy of the owner's manual, attached.
TTFN
Hugh.
