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Re: see the french want out of euro.....Frexit 1 week, 5 days ago #558888

Tramp wrote:
Ohh sensible debate this time lol....and yep the french are masters are fiddling and subsidies , also very two faced when it suits them mainly the city folks with certain numbers on their plates...the whole french economy has been merdie for years ...

Id still rather be in france than uk...but they cant bake bread or do proper sausages and well at christmas we invited a couple in for a pastie with gravy...the look was priceless...they where from Toulouse and gave us some sausages which the dog loved....


could be worse Tramp you could be walking the Darian gap

how can the EU survive when the ECB is having to print billions each month to keep it a float ?

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Re: see the french want out of euro.....Frexit 1 week, 4 days ago #559068

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I spend a fair bit of time in the south of France each year as my brother lives there.

Every time i go there the one thing i see and hear is that the French economy has still not recovered from the crash in 2007 and there is no sign of it ever getting better.

I talk to lots of French people when i am over there and they have all had enough of how things are now. My brother runs his own company and has to pay 50% tax on his entire turnover....thats 50%...here i pay about 20%.

The perception is that this money is needed to support the massive french welfare state.

In the UK going back over the past 50 years or so..when people came from old UK empire states they came here wth skills and got jobs and integrated into society.

In France this is not the case. There are often large areas of big towns that have become north African immigrant areas. There is almost no work and almost no integration with the wider French culture. This is a growing and serious problem across France.

Look at their Police...the Gendarme are pretty much hated in France by most people..why..well they live in their own secure compounds and do not integrate with the rest of society.

The recent state in the US that got Trump elected is pretty much the same as in France at the mo.

France needs to change but there are too many people in power with too much to loose to let that change happen. People over there have had enough of French politicians and the endless amount of ministers that get created for no reason.

So yes i can totally see why teh French want out of the EU. To stay in means nothign will change..ever...to leave means change is on the way..but is that change for good or for worse?

It's just such a shame.

Mike


I agree it is a shame, but then, as you say, if it changed would it change for the better?

In recent times the French have hated every Prime Minister and probably every politician..... And as you say the police aren't liked, but then again most French people I know think the law applies to everyone except them! As long as no one gets hurt, no one is too put out, then fine.....

I live in the south west, a very rural, agricultural part of the country and for the most part everyone here is pretty happy. They moan about the System, they don't have much, but they just shrug and get on wth it, I think they realise life could be a lot worse. They're pretty unconcerned with consumerism and are much nicer people for it! We don't see the immigration problems as there is very little work even for the French.....

You're right about taxation, if you're self employed you pay over 50% tax and to employ someone costs a small fortune. That's why the government funded course advises you to not declare all your earnings!

I think the French realise that 'sh*t happens', but we can find a way round it, rather than sitting around moaning about it. It's amazing how many brits come out here and moan about how crap it all is rather than accepting it and getting on with their lives. Exactly why did you come here?

I think they know that whatever they do the status quo won't really change, so why rock the boat. They know about and laugh at the mess in the UK and just say, why would we want to do that!




I have lived hear in south west France for some 13 years and have never paid 50% tax
or know any one that pays that much.


Well my English neighbour who has lived here for 20 years assures me that she is paying 50%, maybe she should use your accountant....

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Re: see the french want out of euro.....Frexit 1 week, 4 days ago #559080

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Mike101 wrote:


In the UK going back over the past 50 years or so..when people came from old UK empire states they came here wth skills and got jobs and integrated into society.

Mike


Really !!! I see Pakistani & Bangladeshi "Communities" in the North West of England where they have no intention of integrating. Some have lived here all their lives and still can't even speak English. We have the same problem.
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Re: see the french want out of euro.....Frexit 1 week, 4 days ago #559085

vRSG60 wrote:
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In the UK going back over the past 50 years or so..when people came from old UK empire states they came here wth skills and got jobs and integrated into society.

Mike


Really !!! I see Pakistani & Bangladeshi "Communities" in the North West of England where they have no intention of integrating. Some have lived here all their lives and still can't even speak English. We have the same problem.


Luton, near me, is the same. To give a bit of humour to a serious subject we refer to it as Lutonistan... (no offence intended to anyone, I know some on here are a bit 'touchy' these days).

Anyway, I think the difference is that in France, to the best of my knowledge, everything is conducted in French. Therefore, it's a struggle to get by in work or in business if you don't speak the language well enough. Contrast that with the UK, where my local authority produce literature in about 10 different languages and are proud to put on their website...

"For customers who do not speak or understand English we can provide translator and interpreter services, which include written translations and interpreters for spoken languages."

Personally, I think that's wrong.
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Re: see the french want out of euro.....Frexit 1 week, 4 days ago #559106

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Scott_rider wrote:
vRSG60 wrote:
Mike101 wrote:


In the UK going back over the past 50 years or so..when people came from old UK empire states they came here wth skills and got jobs and integrated into society.

Mike


Really !!! I see Pakistani & Bangladeshi "Communities" in the North West of England where they have no intention of integrating. Some have lived here all their lives and still can't even speak English. We have the same problem.


Luton, near me, is the same. To give a bit of humour to a serious subject we refer to it as Lutonistan... (no offence intended to anyone, I know some on here are a bit 'touchy' these days).

Anyway, I think the difference is that in France, to the best of my knowledge, everything is conducted in French. Therefore, it's a struggle to get by in work or in business if you don't speak the language well enough. Contrast that with the UK, where my local authority produce literature in about 10 different languages and are proud to put on their website...

"For customers who do not speak or understand English we can provide translator and interpreter services, which include written translations and interpreters for spoken languages."

Personally, I think that's wrong.


Spot on

In France you only get info in French if you don't understand you don't get it
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Re: see the french want out of euro.....Frexit 1 week, 4 days ago #559121

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Me & my wife have been self employed in France for the last 2 years and have payed tax at 23%. So today just for piece of mind I have contacted our accountant to confirm this was correct so not to get a nasty surprise at a later date !
a yes 23% is the rate of income tax for the self employed.
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Re: see the french want out of euro.....Frexit 1 week, 4 days ago #559149

I go to south west France every year and absolutely love it there.

Many reasons....they are very very welcoming, helpful but as pointed out you have got to speak to them in French and then you will get what you need and they will happily converse in English too, once they have seen you try your best.

My friend who lives there retired from UK about 12 years ago....rural property in south west, off the beaten track is very good value......massive amounts of solar power that he sells back to the grid.....no MOT or road tax on his motorcycles.....French drivers respect and see motorcycles on the road.....small Renault cars that don't need a driving licence.....local bakeries to die for and eventually from. He has no problem getting tradesmen or repairmen although he has not much need for them. Rural community and villages much more alive than in UK, always service with a smile and politeness and generally a greater pride in environment.

Prices are way below the UK for almost everything. When I spoke to my friend about a week in Wales in April he suggested France, ferry was much the same price, hotels cost us €15-20 each for twin room, wine will cost us €2 a bottle upwards and the midday plat du jour €13. Even with sterling as it is everything is still expensive. But Wales is fabulous and another time.....

I can do my business off the internet and could move anywhere but I like where I am too much despite some shortcomings. But 15 minutes to the ferry port for France is a major help.

France was one of the original EU countries and they wont be leaving anytime soon I reckon.

Re: see the french want out of euro.....Frexit 1 week, 3 days ago #559203

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There are Brit communities in France where the kids go to their own English speaking schools, they attend English language churches staffed by vicars from the UK and they have enough members to stage cricket tournaments.
And the local French despise them.

Re: see the french want out of euro.....Frexit 1 week, 3 days ago #559204

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There are Brit communities in France where the kids go to their own English speaking schools, they attend English language churches staffed by vicars from the UK and they have enough members to stage cricket tournaments.
And the local French despise them.


And so they should ! You move to a different country or even area in your current one ?
You integrate ! Simple as that. Otherwise you're no better than the "economic refugees" that just come over to bleed the system.
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Re: see the french want out of euro.....Frexit 1 week, 3 days ago #559231

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Dutchgit wrote:
Alan29 wrote:
There are Brit communities in France where the kids go to their own English speaking schools, they attend English language churches staffed by vicars from the UK and they have enough members to stage cricket tournaments.
And the local French despise them.


And so they should ! You move to a different country or even area in your current one ?
You integrate ! Simple as that. Otherwise you're no better than the "economic refugees" that just come over to bleed the system.


Couldn't agree more. Although I can't help thinking that if Nigel Farage (or any other prominent figure) had said that it would have been twisted and distorted via social media and they'd have been branded an evil, boot-stomping racist.
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