I purchased these at the start of the year to try and make riding through the winter a bit more bearable! I shouldn't really complain considering the price,but they fall short at what their supposed to do. That is.. they leak!! I have experienced two rides when it has rained,and on both occasions they have leaked at the crotch area. Seems that water running down the seat into this area,will penetrate. They seem ok in a light shower. Saying that,they are stylish and warm. I have since purchased a full Hein Gericke waterproof suit(£15 in the Stafford show :-)) I didn't see the point of returning them..am I going to get anything better for the money? Goretex is the answer,but costs!!